Le forum francophone des fans de Pearl Jam

par **thefrenchconnection** » Jeu Août 09, 2007 8:52 pm

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... &cset=true

pJ fait la une du chicago trib avec son "director's cut" façon AT&T

par **stateoflove** » Ven Août 10, 2007 1:04 am

Denis a écrit :
stateoflove a écrit :
yoyo a écrit :la webcast de daughter non censuré sera dispo prochainnement au tc ...

http://www.tenclub.net/news/

enorme...
au fait tous ces webcast c'est audio ou video?

ca dépend, mais celui-là était vidéo. ceci dit, la version de Daughter ne sera pas issue du webcast, mais sans doute direct soundboard.

merci, y a un lien pour dl le webcast video?

par **Olikatie** » Ven Août 10, 2007 7:06 am

AT&T reconnaît que la censure d'une chanson de Pearl Jam a été une erreur

Un porte-parole de la société AT&T a reconnu jeudi que les paroles d'une chanson de Pearl Jam critiquant le président américain George W. Bush n'auraient pas dû être censurées pendant la présentation d'un concert sur Internet.

AT&T, via son site Web culturel Blue Room, a diffusé le concert donné dimanche en clôture du festival Lollapalooza, à Chicago. Le spectacle a été présenté avec un bref délai afin que la compagnie puisse éliminer tout blasphème ou encore d'éventuelles images de nudité.

Toutefois, les censeurs engagés par AT&T par le biais d'un sous-contractant sont allés plus loin. Lors de l'interprétation de "Daughter", Pearl Jam a repris une portion de la pièce "Another Brick In The Wall", de Pink Floyd, en changeant les paroles originales pour les remplacer par des critiques contre le président américain. Ces paroles ont été coupées de la transmission en direct.

Michael Coe, porte-parole de AT&T, a affirmé que cela avait été une erreur et que la société travaillait de concert avec le sous-contractant produisant ses transmissions Web afin d'éviter qu'une telle situation se reproduise. Il a ajouté que l'entreprise souhaitait obtenir les droits de diffusion de la chanson entière sur Blue Room.

Les musiciens de Pearl Jam, quant à eux, ont fait savoir sur leur propre site Web qu'ils tenteraient de s'assurer, à l'avenir, que les diffusions en direct de leurs spectacles soient libres de "montages arbitraires".

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ATT censure Pearl Jam

Lors de l'interprétation de leur morceau "Daughter", durant le festival annuel Lollapalooza à Chicago, le groupe Pearl Jam a repris une portion du morceau "Another Brick in the Wall" des Pink Floyd en changeant les paroles originales pour les remplacer par des critiques anti George Bush. Ces paroles ont été purement et simplement coupées de la tranmission en direct qui était dirigée par AT&T.

AT&T attribue cette censure à une erreur d'un des fournisseurs de la retransmission, qui est selon eux, contraire à leur règle éthique, et qui s'excuse de cet évènement. Tandis que les responsables du FOMC (Future of Music Coalition) pensent que AT&T à censurer le groupe car les paroles diffusées étaient contraire à leurs intérêt économique.

Cet évènement a générés des centaines de publications, de la part des fan sur le forum du groupe Pear Jam.

Source Reuters / Billboard

par **robin** » Ven Août 10, 2007 7:30 am

Denis a écrit :
stateoflove a écrit :
yoyo a écrit :la webcast de daughter non censuré sera dispo prochainnement au tc ...

http://www.tenclub.net/news/

enorme...
au fait tous ces webcast c'est audio ou video?

ca dépend, mais celui-là était vidéo. ceci dit, la version de Daughter ne sera pas issue du webcast, mais sans doute direct soundboard.

Version non censurée : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfnCVDBTUA

par **stateoflove** » Ven Août 10, 2007 8:02 am

terrible dommage qu'on entende pas le public...

y a il un lien pour le set complet?

par **Olikatie** » Ven Août 10, 2007 11:01 am

Pearl Jam Wonder: Were Anti-Bush Comments Edited From Webcast Really An 'Error'?

Vedder's comments were only elements edited out of Lollapalooza webcast: 'This was not a censorship issue,' spokesperson for sponsor AT&T insists.

Before a crowd that stretched as far as the eye could see, Pearl Jam closed out Lollapalooza on Sunday night with a galvanizing two-hour set that also featured a guest spot from Ben Harper, appearances from an anti-war Iraq veteran and former NBA star Dennis Rodman — and lyrics from Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall, Pt. 2" slipped into "Daughter," during which singer Eddie Vedder altered the lyrics to, "George Bush: Leave this world alone!" (See "Pearl Jam Electrify; Amy Winehouse, Lupe Fiasco, Kings Of Leon Also Help Cap Lollapalooza.")

Oh, wait, you didn't hear that part?

Maybe you were watching the live "Blue Room" webcast of Lollapalooza beamed out by main Lollapalooza sponsor AT&T. According to the band and a number of its fans, PJ were informed after the show that some segments of their performance were missing from the AT&T broadcast — namely the anti-Bush statements, which led them to suspect that the broadcast may have been censored by AT&T.

"We responded on the site to our fans because they sent in multiple inquiries asking about the webcast being cut," longtime PJ spokesperson Nicole Vandenberg said about the post on PJ's official Web site on Wednesday responding to the controversy. "We were told via Lollapalooza, who spoke to AT&T, that it was the result of an overzealous content engineer who made a mistake. But ... I think the bigger question here is this: What is AT&T doing to ensure that 'mistakes' like this don't happen in the future?

"We aren't talking about them editing the word 'f---' out," Vandenberg continued, after acknowledging that mistakes often happen during such high-pressure, live events. "We're talking about them editing out content in a song that referenced the president. I'm curious as to why this content monitor thought that might concern them? I'm interested in knowing whether AT&T thinks this is the only 'content monitor' who will ever make a mistake of this nature?"

The other line cut from the webcast was, "George Bush: Find yourself another home."

Steve Schwadron, a spokesperson for AT&T, told MTV News on Thursday that the editing of the performance was not intentional and was "a mistake by one of our webcast vendors." Adam Smith — executive vice president of the vendor, music-consulting firm Davey Brown Entertainment, which produced the webcast for AT&T — also said the edit was an unintended error. "It was a mistake," Smith said. "Our policy is not to edit any performance at all — never, ever. We take responsibility for the mistake."

Though nothing else was edited out of the broadcast, Smith said he was not able to explain why the only edits happened to be the two anti-Bush statements. Brown Entertainment was in control of the standard two-minute delay AT&T requires for the non-age-restricted Blue Room broadcasts.

"We completely regret this mistake by an individual who was subcontracted by AT&T," Schwadron said. "It is not part of our policy and I can't tell you what that person was thinking. This was not a censorship issue — it was a mistake that is completely against our policy and it was a solitary incident not tied to any larger theme. We completely disagree with what took place."

Schwadron said AT&T is working with PJ to post the song in its entirety soon.

Fans responding on the group's message boards were angry and confused. "I thought it was a glitch on the webcast (which is common), not censorship," wrote a user named Marie Curie. "Scott" wrote that he unplugged his speakers to fix the problem, which he thought had to do with his virus-riddled computer.

However, it was no surprise to "Mr Bungle," who wrote that, "My wife and I called it right away, as soon as Ed started bashing Bush, the audio cut out. It was so obvious it was being censored."

In their post on the controversy, the band wrote, "AT&T's actions strike at the heart of the public's concerns over the power that corporations have when it comes to determining what the public sees and hears through communications media.

"If a company that is controlling a webcast is cutting out bits of our performance — not based on laws, but on their own preferences and interpretations — fans have little choice but to watch the censored version," the post continues. "What happened to us this weekend was a wake-up call, and it's about something much bigger than the censorship of a rock band."

A report on the controversy on the left-leaning Huffington Post blog took a harsher view of the incident, tying the subcontractor error to a larger theme of what it claimed was AT&T's history of bad faith with its customers when it comes to issues like handing over private phone records and speaking out against the concept of Net neutrality, which proponents say will guarantee the freedom of Internet content from manipulation by the large companies that supply Internet connections.

Pearl Jam has promised to post the complete, unedited Lollapalooza version of "Daughter" on their Web site soon and has promised to work harder in the future to ensure that their live broadcasts/webcasts are free from "arbitrary" edits.

"I don't see this as a fight," said Vandenberg. "I see it as an opportunity for AT&T to take steps to ensure that this sort of thing doesn't happen, and for the public to see how easily it can happen ... it's really just an unfortunate incident that occurred, that happens to reflect the issues at the heart of the debate around Net neutrality and media consolidation in general."

par **robin** » Ven Août 10, 2007 1:33 pm

stateoflove a écrit :terrible dommage qu'on entende pas le public...

y a il un lien pour le set complet?

XWayne a écrit :Je ne sais pas si c'est que vous cherchez, la vidéo au format .asf made in Leehro, trouvée sur Red Mosquito:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UVMZ6HCC

Pas téléchargé, pas vu...

par **Denis** » Ven Août 10, 2007 5:20 pm

les vidéos de Daughter, avec et sans censure sont dispo

http://www.pearljam.com/news/index.php?what=News#197

par **robin** » Ven Août 10, 2007 6:45 pm

robin a écrit :
Denis a écrit :
stateoflove a écrit :
yoyo a écrit :la webcast de daughter non censuré sera dispo prochainnement au tc ...

http://www.tenclub.net/news/

enorme...
au fait tous ces webcast c'est audio ou video?

ca dépend, mais celui-là était vidéo. ceci dit, la version de Daughter ne sera pas issue du webcast, mais sans doute direct soundboard.

Version non censurée : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfnCVDBTUA

par **Olikatie** » Sam Août 11, 2007 10:46 am

Lettre de Mike à propos de l'incident (http://www.tenclub.net/news/)

MIKE MCCREADY WEIGHS IN ON AT&T WEBCAST 08.11.07

Thoughts of an American.

I grew up in a democratic system of government. This is what was taught all through Kindergarten through College. Freedom of thought and expression were hallmarks of my early education. These concepts and theories integrated my belief in an American system of democracy. Consequently, I became a musician because of these inalienable rights. Make no mistake I am an artist and a capitalist because of this system that I believe in and our country. I don't however believe that a capitalist corporation such as AT&T has the right to subvert the first amendment of the constitution to which we all are accountable. This happened on the night we played Lollapalooza. I was dismayed to hear that the act of censoring free speech was used to edit our song Daughter for a webcast. Surely the American listening public can discern for themselves what they deem acceptable to hear. This is a hallmark of our American way!! The freedom to listen to what you want or don't want to. The American public was duped as was I in believing that I can speak freely without censorship.

I can only look to historical figures who are above reproach in my mind, such as Thomas Jefferson "I hope we shall crush...in it's birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." I feel that corporations can still exist without worry of a few words at a rock concert and need not trample upon our constitution for the sake of profit.

Another example that I believe is relevant is a George Orwell quote from Animal Farm. "If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." Some people don't want to hear our political beliefs in a song but that too is the beauty of America. WE CAN DISAGREE and still function as a democracy. When one person or company decides what others can hear, that is totalitarian thinking! This runs contrary to America and threatens the core of our freedom. We can think for ourselves, AT&T. I had the great pleasure of seeing the Space Shuttle launch live in Florida today. This gave me a feeling of excitement and patriotism in my country today.It showed me a future of ingenuity and promise for a better America.

With that I will leave you with a last quote from the quintessential American "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." This is an example of my belief in what Ed was saying the night we were censored during Daughter. You can't get more American than Mark Twain!!! Say no to censorship, it leads to dictatorship!

Mike McCready

par **Québec fan** » Dim Août 12, 2007 9:17 pm

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070 ... 5/CPARTS04

par **Olikatie** » Lun Août 13, 2007 7:22 am

http://technaute.lapresseaffaires.com/n ... =top_short

AT&T n'aurait pas dû faire taire Pearl Jam

par **Olikatie** » Mar Août 14, 2007 12:40 pm

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.p ... 650&page=3

Some Pearl Jam mixed in there. My daughter was the one with the "Olivia Vedder is my B.F.F." shirt on.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78439414@N ... 422274557/

Photos from another site of my daughters shirt...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trebmal/1047181341/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trebmal/1047175965/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trebmal/1048024020/

par **dvi2702** » Mar Août 21, 2007 10:10 pm

Mike McCready, Pearl Jam guitarist, plays a version of 'The Star-Spangled Banner' during his solo performance Friday, Aug. 17, 2007, in Seattle. City Councilman Peter Steinbrueck makes light of the recent censoring from a webcast by AT&T Inc. of lyrics critical of President Bush in a Pearl Jam performance. Friday's concert was in celebration of the 100th birthday of Pike Place Market. The concert featured Seattle musicians performing Seattle-themed music.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070818/482/ ... f451d576ea

par **strummer** » Mar Août 21, 2007 10:31 pm

DVI2702 a écrit :Mike McCready, Pearl Jam guitarist, plays a version of 'The Star-Spangled Banner' during his solo performance Friday, Aug. 17, 2007, in Seattle. City Councilman Peter Steinbrueck makes light of the recent censoring from a webcast by AT&T Inc. of lyrics critical of President Bush in a Pearl Jam performance. Friday's concert was in celebration of the 100th birthday of Pike Place Market. The concert featured Seattle musicians performing Seattle-themed music.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070818/482/ ... f451d576ea

Visible ici : http://www.pjbootstrading.org/forum/vie ... php?t=3361

Mais faut avoir de la patience pour se taper tout le blabla d'avant[/code]

par **dvi2702** » Mar Août 21, 2007 10:33 pm

D'ou une simple photo pour résumer

par **Patrick Bateman** » Mar Août 21, 2007 11:28 pm

DVI2702 a écrit ::roll:
D'ou une simple photo pour résumer

Oui ça remplace avantageusement...

par **strummer** » Mer Août 22, 2007 12:04 am

DVI2702 a écrit ::roll:
D'ou une simple photo pour résumer

si on se penche un peu sur la photo on peut entendre les 1ères notes :lol:

par **exit17** » Mer Août 29, 2007 12:48 pm

hello ,

personne n'aurait eu la bonne idée de faire un superbe DVD de ce live grace au fichier asf qui n'est pas de trop mauvaise qualité ?
j'ai moi meme essayé en utilisant VSO et Windows movie maker mais le resultat n'est pas excellent , malheureusement je ne connais pas les programme qu'il faut pour optimiser la qualité d' une video ... ca fait des jours que je suis la dessus, en essayant d'inclure le "daughter" non censuré, faire un menu, ... j'ai essayer avec le MP4 pompé sur mininova, c'est pire, j'ai coupé les 10 min de public du debut du asf... 'fin bref ... j'y travail mais soit me faut de l'aide, soit je passe la main ...

Merci ... :newmus1:

par **dvi2702** » Dim Sep 02, 2007 11:00 pm

Une "petite" synthèse du topic + quelques nouveautés:

Poster :

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